AIPB accuses MFAA CEO of “spin”

Maria Rigoni, Australian Institute of Professional BrokersBy Jill Fraser for Lending Central

Australian Institute of Professional Brokers’ co-founder Maria Rigoni claims an “agenda” is behind MFAA CEO Phil Naylor’s negotiations with lenders regarding volume-based accreditation.

(Refer Naylor’s interview with Lending Central 31 July – www.lendingcentral.com/2009/07/31/mfaa-goes-into-bat-for-brokers/)

Rigoni believes that Naylor’s suggestion that lenders adopt broker professionalism as criteria for quality is avoiding the real issues and capitalizing on the situation in order to push the barrow of higher education needs for brokers.

“I feel that he is gearing up the “industry” to accept that professional brokers will be required to have a Diploma in Finance/Mortgage Broking, which of course is a great revenue raising exercise for the MFAA, a Registered Training Organisation,” Rigoni told Lending Central.

“At the MFAA conference Phil stated that “down the track” a broker would be required to hold this qualification in order to retain MFAA membership.”

Rigoni says the AIPB is baffled as to why brokers should have to pay out money for a qualification that will simply prove competency in skills and knowledge that they already possess and utilize on a daily basis.

She says; “professional development should be about expanding brokers’ skill and knowledge base rather than just demonstrating that they don’t have to relearn what they already know”.

From personal experience Rigoni claims that the MFAA has already “shifted the goal posts” regarding the level of training required for membership of the industry body.

“Originally Certificate 4 was required by 1 July for membership renewal. But recently MFAA correspondence stated that even though I am a paid up member to December 2009 retaining my current membership is dependant upon my ability to prove that I possess Certificate 4.”

Her concern is that this is a revenue raising exercise as opposed to a desire to increase broker professionalism.

Rigoni says the AIPB is committed to advancing the skill and knowledge level of Finance Brokers through quality ongoing training and development, which she stresses should be available at a realistic cost.
In response to the many questions posted on Lending Central about the AIPB Rigoni has supplied the following information.

• The AIPB sees Finance Brokers as one team with a game plan to be champions and not as spectators paying to see others play the game.
• The AIPB was formed as a call to action from the profession.
• The call was for an organisation that is honest, open and transparent; that beyond doubt represents the Finance Broker as its main focus; that asserts the value of the Finance Broker as a profession; that knows the genuine challenges that face the Finance Broker as an individual, a business and as a professional and is a vehicle where the Finance Broker can speak their truth without fear of reprisal.
• The call was for a team that is prepared to stand firm and confront the power imbalance in the market place where currently Finance Brokers’ can be openly taken advantage of due to them being part of a ‘hidden’ or ‘invisible’ workforce and for understanding that by acknowledging, valuing and utilising the knowledge, skill level and experience in the Finance Broker profession the financial services sector, government, credit providers and borrowers will be better off.

The AIPB’s intention is to be a unified and powerful voice for all categories of finance brokers.

We expect our membership base will continue to grow as a result of our actions taken to improve the life of a finance broker. Membership based on a desire to be “a part of” has more power than membership based on force and/or exclusion.

The AIPB has stated objectives:
* To provide a forum and focus for all matters affecting Finance Brokers.
* To advance the professional image and functioning of the Finance Broker.
* To ensure Finance Brokers are recognised and acknowledged as a valuable commodity to borrowers, credit providers, government, regulators, and the Australian public

Only finance brokers have a voting right in our organisation as we see there is no need for non-brokers to vote on issues that concern brokers.

To the AIPB the Finance Broker is more significant than the “Accredited Mortgage Consultant (AMC)” label. They can be a professional operating in many areas of the Financial Services Sector. We intend for the Finance Broker to be renowned for their positive contribution to all levels of the Australian Community.

We choose not to have conflicts of interest created through the provision of moneys by lending institutions to help us get going or survive.

We choose not to have a conflict of interest by being a Registered Training Organisation and membership that hinges on qualifications.

We will work with finance brokers to ascertain what training they believe will enhance professionalism and will recognise any Registered Training Organisation that offers competitive quality options to achieve the Finance Brokers needs. If lenders wish to provide broker training on their policy, their product and their service offering to try and win the brokers’ confidence to sell their individual offering we will insist that it is at their expense and not the brokers’.

We are working on a submission to ASIC about our views on the current standard of training in our industry and what we see as a requirement to move forward with industry regulation.

We have made ASIC, ACCC and Government ministers from both sides of the house aware of clawback of finance broker commissions and asked their opinion on the practice. We have also had discussions with legal professionals regarding this matter and are currently considering various options.

We do not accept the opinion that the broker is employed by the lender and the assumption that the lender has employment rights as a result of having a contract in place with an aggregator. We will not stand by silently and see that the independent broker is confused as a broker representative of aggregators. There needs to be a very clear line drawn between the role of a Licensed Financial Planner, Mortgage Managers and Aggregators and a Finance Broker (whether they are required be licensed or not requiring to be licensed under the new regulation).

We are working on strategies and submissions to the appropriate people to ensure finance broker issues are heard and dealt with at the appropriate level within and outside the industry.

The AIPB is scheduling a road show in Berwick, Albury/Wodonga, Melbourne, Sydney and Adelaide in September and October so that brokers can meet us and hear more detail about our current actions and plans to be implemented to improve the Finance Broker standing in Australia.

46 Comments

Mick August 10, 2009

L have to agree with the comments about MFAA going for revenue with their training/course re competency. I find it very difficult to justify having to pay $375 for someone to look at 2 bits of paper from referrals that state I have been competent in loan applications over 2 years.

Pete Peters August 10, 2009

Maria Rigoni – I agree 100% – with a head like that you must know the facts.

John K August 10, 2009

The MFAA is a business built around fees and charges,I for one will not be renewing my membership.
COSL is no better.

Paul August 10, 2009

The Cert4 course is a dud and revenue only for the MFAA>

Phil August 10, 2009

What about a roadshow in Perth?

Oz Boy August 10, 2009

While I agree with some of the comments by Maria Rigoni one could say that the above is also “spin” to promote the AIPB, an odd heading for this story!!

BRIAN TAYLOR August 10, 2009

Yet again Western Australia is of no interest to Eastern States based operators.

Xerxes August 10, 2009

Well done Maria & the AIPB.

The MFAA has been a joke now for some time. All brokers should no longer be under the allusion that the MFAA has the brokers best interests at heart. The MFAA only looks out for its owned vested interest (many of which appear contrary to broker interests) and it seems apparent their attitude towards brokers is fast aligning with the banks (screw brokers). I don’t know how Phil Naylor has the hide to show his face in public.

The MFAA is completely ‘owned’ (metaphorically) by the banks & is totally corrupted (literally – ethically compromised) by its constant pursuit of fees from overpriced courses, which do ZERO to improve the professionalism of mortgage brokers.

Maria, keep us informed on those road show venue dates and times.

BBB August 10, 2009

The MFAA are scheduling their own road shows for August in Bendigo and The Gippsland region.

Phil Naylor will be a speaker , It will be interesting to see if during question times he is asked about what he sees the future as including this isssue and how they are going with volume requirements .

It is interesting to see that even for these regional seminars the fee is $35.00 , and the promise of 2 PD points .

Maria has a point but we all must realise for licencing to work we need well trained , experienced and ethical brokers , if that means a minimum of cert IV so be it. Maria while making these comments is promoting the AIPB, They really need to be looking at the FBAA as well and what their stand will be on minimum requirements. I really believe Cert IV and 3 yaers experience should be the minimum for licencing especially directors and owners of a brokerage.

Right now I could not justify belonging to more than two professional bodies, and probably will be comfortable with one.

Bill August 10, 2009

Cert IV and CPD is necessary to demonstrate competence and keep up with the latest industry trends. This should be the MFAA’s sole purpose for existence. As far as representing broker interests, we all know who sponsors the MFAA. This is an oxymoron. The MFAA is doing what they can to strengthen their business model for the new regulations that will come into the play, this is obvious, enough said.

We as mortgage brokers need the AIPB or something similar that does not have any conflicts of interest with sponsors or business partners to represent us as we are is seems unfortunately a very fragmented bunch. A unified stance will give us more leverage to better represent our mission of providing a well rounded service to the consumers out there that individual banks and non-bank lenders simply cannot provide.

I for one, will look out for that roadshow and would also strongly urge the AIPB to include WA on the schedule. Let’s include as many brokers as we can and have a strong unified voice to give brokers more leverage. Otherwise, it won’t work.

Xerxes August 10, 2009

BBB,

How surprising MFAA (over)charging for people to attend one of their seminars.

You then write:
“Maria has a point but we all must realise for licencing to work we need well trained , experienced and ethical brokers, if that means a minimum of cert IV so be it.”

3 questions leading from this statement BBB;

How much better “trained” are you as a result of being an MFAA member that has completed your Cert IV?
How much more “experienced” are you as a result of being an MFAA member that has completed your Cert IV?
How much more “ethical” are you as a result of being an MFAA member that has completed your Cert IV?

Rhetorical questions. Of course you are no better trained or more experienced or more ethical as a consequence of being a member of the MFAA and completing Cert IV.

You cannot legislate for morality or ethics.

If you insist on experience to gain a licence then brokers should simply have to prove their industry experience (not sure where that leaves new entrants – surely long term for the health of the industry we want new brokers entering the industry).

Why is Cert IV considered the minimum training level required to be a sufficiently “trained” mortgage broker?

I got my Cert IV & I regard it as marginally more valuable than toilet paper. It was nothing more than a waste of my time & money.

Worse still, it wont be long (if the rumours are right) before the MFAA is pushing for some new standard – “Diploma” (which they will happily flog at a premium price). Sounds like even more expensive toilet paper is on its way.

Savvy Investor August 10, 2009

Whilst my heart would like to believe Phil my brain tells me Xerxes is more likely to prove true in the near future. I got my Diploma of Mortgage Broking and Financial Planning already, and it sitting in a drawer next to my Bachelor of Business Degree and all the other nearly useless courses that prove to me what Xerxes has been saying. You don’t teach this stuff – you need to learn it, perhaps through a mentor program so you have someone to teach you the ropes and the ethics as you become a true mortgage professional.

If the MFAA proves to only be the standard setting body of the industry then so be it and let that be its role. Education is not limited to them and there are many places one can get the Cert V if you are not happy with their prices for it. So long as there is open and honest competition then I do not have any issue with it setting a standard for us to aspire to so long as we still get a vote.

We certainly need a body that represents brokers interests only, and I will be interested in hearing more about the AIPB meeting to be held in Melbourne (is there a cost?) If there is to be a new body then it must be free to hear the voice of all brokers and to act on their behalf without having conflicting loyalties but as I first stated in LC many many months ago I would be suspect of any ‘for profit’ version.

I would prefer an organisation that was a mutualised ‘member owned’ and operated model. A Brokers Guild such as Keychange and I have been proposing, and perhaps it could apprentice new brokers with highly ethical and successful members to teach them the ropes and ensure they learn by doing and pick up best practice. This could be an alternative PD point gathering requirement for both teacher and student, as I have found in 15 years in the IT game that ‘teaching others’ forces you to learn even more about your field and keeps you current.

Susanne August 11, 2009

I might be nitpicking but it is quite clear where MFAA interests lie. I read a comment by Phil Naylor in one of the papers. In the article he urges borrowers to become closer to their lenders and develop that relationship in order to ensure they continue to have access to finance. Not a mention of brokers anywhere!

Xerxes August 11, 2009

Hi Susanne,

You’re not nitpicking. Your observations add further weight to general concerns about the MFAA.

The irony is, the MFAA would not exist if not for brokers. Yet the MFAA interests seem to less and less align with broker interests & more & more with Bank interests.

LYNNE COX August 11, 2009

Well said Maria, nothing ventured nothing gained.

I for one am going to give the AIFB a chance and join the association and give them the opportunity to have a go.
Finance Brokers have been abused of late and it is not going to get any better.
The way the industry is going we will need as much help as we can muster in the future.

We should all get together and support them.

If we dont – we will never know what could have been!!

Paul Flakus August 11, 2009

Reply to Lynne Cox and Brian Taylor in the Western states. The AIPB is a National Association and would be pleased to do a presentation and gain your feed back for the brokers in WA. Feel free to e mail any one at AIPB for discussion and arrangements. We would welcome it.

Broker August 12, 2009

Just one problem AIPB – the lenders & the Govt will not recognise you!

Savvy Investor August 12, 2009

Hi Broker,

No one gets recognised by government until they have enough power and represent enough people. If the AIPB do the job and get the memberships then recognition will follow.

Petel August 12, 2009

So glad, i’ve made my money and am about to retire.
MFAA lost me when they got into bed with the CCLS.

Steve August 12, 2009

A crucial point by Broker & Savvy, but something not mentioned in Maria’s address…. what is the current number of members of the AIPB?

Notwithstanding the merits of the objective, it would be better to represent a majority of brokers, rather than a vocal minority to carry weight in negotiations. Otherwise, lenders & gov’t would have reason to be dismissive.

So, to the AIPB, how many do you have at the moment, and what is the level of membership that you think would carry weight?

Oz Boy August 12, 2009

If your a broker and a member of the MFAA stand for election. The MFAA constitution has been amended so that 70% of the representation is by brokers. Get in and sort it out from the inside, it would be far easier than setting up a new organisation. So I look forward to seeing “the usual suspects” up for election shortly. Or is it easy to stand on the sidelines and point the finger and take NO responsibility. The challenge has been put down who will take it up?

Old School Broker August 12, 2009

I most certainly agree that the MFAA is a “Money Grabber” – Highlighted when the AML/CTF Legislation came in & they raised over $800,000.00 ($75 X 11,000 members) by forcing the members to do an on-line course that would have cost them no more than a few thousand dollars to facilitate…
As far as the MFAA representing Brokers is concerned – WHAT A JOKE…!!!
I have been in the Industry now for 12 years & I had to join the MFAA (MIAA) back when I joined an Aggregator that required MIAA membership to become a member… that was in 2004, & I can categorically state that since then, the MFAA has done absolutely nothing to assist me in my Business, but rather has constantly sought to relieve me of my hard-earned dollars to attend their functions, training sessions & even ask for $50 to attend their “Christmas Drinks” end-of-year party… Absolutely pathetic…!!!
I most certainly will be supporting AIPB & pray they get big enough & strong enough, soon enough to save the “Old School” Independant Finance Broker from possible extinction…

AB August 12, 2009

You guys are kidding yourselves and that’s why most of us real brokers don’t pay any attention to your nonsense. Broker – you’re absolutely correct. I have spoken with both ANZ and CBA today and they laughed at the thought of ever recognising AIPB – “not in my lifetime” one said! For better or worse they want to deal with the MFAA and so for that matter does the GOV’T. Chris Bowen and his predessor have pubicly stated that the MFAA gives the industry the ‘professional body’ and representation the GOVT is seeking. You idiots just don’t get it. Spend your time promoting AIPB and I’ll spend mine writing loans. You embarrass yourselves and you embarrass those of us who have established big businesses over many years.

Steve August 13, 2009

True AB. Not to stifle opinion, but concise comment without superlatives makes the argument more reasonable. Meanwhile, any response from AIPB on numbers as above?

Bean Counter August 19, 2009

Maria or Paul,

What’s the magic lotto number. Please! It’s about disclosure guys…..how many troops are in the regiment.

Nick September 2, 2009

Not even a reply? Yet there’d be no doubt at least one of the AIPB would be reading the comments. That’s where you lose credibility – it’s OK to kick and scream, and tell everyone how you can do it better. Not only is the AIPB’s resume bare of achievements, scant on numbers, but they don’t even reply to a basic question on a post that they initiated as an accuser. I hear its 12 and they comprise sacked FBAA members. Every association we have has serious deficiencies, so it’s not a great topic with me. Keep your money everyone.

Broker in the 'burbs September 19, 2009

6 weeks now……time’s a tickin’ away oh power brokers of the AIPB, just like your credibility.

Same question. How many members have you got? Surely you could pick up a few of the canned 1500 former MFAA memebers?

Maria Rigoni September 22, 2009

Hello Nick and Broker in the ‘burbs’

Lenders can not deny that we are a Finance Broker representative body as ASIC recognise us as a finance broker representative body.

We are building membership slowly and momentum is building rather than relinquishing – I expect brokers who want to stay as an independent finance broker to come aboard.

Why do you place such an importance on the number of members the AIPB has? We are more than the power of one – the number of members the AIPB has will not stop the AIPB from being a finance broker voice.

Challenging, confronting, honest and determined.

Do you believe in what we stand for or not? Either way I just ask you to be open and honest.

Are you a tied product seller or are you a borrower agent who researches the credit market for an appropriate product to suit borrower requirements? Independent to the credit provider or a puppet on a string!

MFAA has built a grand illusion of their power over the “mortgage broker” and are a self proclaimed “finance broker representative body” via forced membership dictated by mortgage lenders for accreditation purposes – that is why you will note that associated lenders have resisted giving the AIPB recognition for accreditation purposes – in honest truth they do not even enter into correspondence – that is the level of arrogance to their self believed unquestionable position. Why would they encourage or acknowledge an outspoken thorn in their side? Heaven forbid a finance broker body that says enough of your bulling tactics – we the finance broker will have a say in our own profession.

The lenders have a position to protect and will use any “vertical integration” “sharing the downturn” “quality volume measures” “commercial payment contracts” excuses they can.

The AIPB on the other hand understand the value position a broker offers not only a borrower but the lender as well. Martin Luther King had a dream the details of my dream may be different but the principals are the same!

Are you prepared to be part of the action or not?

Let me know

mariarigoni@optusnet.com.au

Broker in the 'burbs October 4, 2009

Maria,

Thanks for the reponse.

Firstly, I’m a broker. Have been for 5 years now and have worked in the FS industry for over 30. (i.e Not a naive spring chicken)

The importance of numbers is simply an issue of relevance and industry clout. If you have 10 members, you’re not worth zip. If you have the ‘potential’ ability to influence government policy or industry conditions with or without members, then great. But how? Tell us!

But to date, I’ve seen nothing to suggest that the AIPB is anything other than a small reactionary group of dissaffected brokers who are tired of the amateur attempts made by the FBAA and the non representative non-actions of the MFAA.

I too am tired of many self appointed luminaries in this industry and the resultant way brokers have found themselves without any significant ‘industry stick’ or representive voice so,

1. Is it your intention to lobby regulators & if so how & with what policies and resources?

2. Do you have the capacity to organise in a way to negotiate with strength against lenders, aggregators and non broker industry participants? If so how?

3. Are you really just another FBAA mark II operation, which is simply a band of ‘good old boys’, looking forward to the next gold day or AGM for a free mini holiday?

The issue of member numbers is not ‘the’ issue really. The issue is about disclosure and having faith in your offer. If it’s that good, then hundreds would have joined, but they haven’t (I assume). I can honestly say that so far, any unique value proposition you may or may not have, hasn’t been articulated well, other than with simple motherhood statements. Or in other words, no definitive statements of policies or action plans to address the core issues brokers need representation on.

Brokers are simply sick of dead ends, players with vested interests and lame duck organisations.

Maria Rigoni October 5, 2009

Hello Broker in the ‘burbs

Which state do you reside in?

I feel I understand your concerns and appreciate your comments. I would like to have a one on one conversation with you – my details are on the AIPB website if you would like to partake.

I personally have been employed in the financial services sector since 13 January 1970 (the day the black light came into operation in the Commonwealth Bank). I have been a finance broker since 2001. I have a Bachelor of Business with two major sequences Management and Psychology. I am also a very eccentric Aquarian.

Action does speak louder than words.

Broker in the 'burbs October 6, 2009

Hi Maria,

Thank you for your candour and notwithstanding your academic endeavour and horoscopic designation, the three questions I posed earlier, still stand.

Maria, you are selling something. As a potential buyer, I’m more concerned with the sausage, not the sizzle. I’m sure a few others would also be interested as well.

Cheers.

Xerxes October 6, 2009

Come on Burbs. Take up Maria’s offer.

Maria has agreed to come to you for a one on one meeting.

You’ve been quite verbose against AIPB.

If you are a reasonable man/woman you would meet her and see what she has to say.

If you won’t agree to meet her, you are all talk and no action.

JH October 6, 2009

Broker in the Burbs.

I have noticed that you quite enjoy offering your opinion on this site and other broker sites.
Maria is obviously trying to make a difference in an industry she loves, and I admire that she has the drive to do so. Whether it is good or bad, right or wrong, it doesn’t matter.
People like Maria are the ones that will ultimately take this industry forward. She is a do-er, not a bench sitter like most.
If your not happy with the what is on offer, keep your opinion to your self & stay with the MFAA, they certainly like to look after their members…lol

Broker in the 'burbs October 6, 2009

Xerxes & JH

Thanks for that. Guys, I haven’t said that I won’t take up her offer. I also don’t think that it’s unreasonable to ask what I have asked either.

Do you?

Look, I appreciate that Maria et al are doing what they think is best for the industry. But if something is being sold, it has to stand up to scrutiny, don’t you think?

Is that an unreasonable expectation is it?

Oh & JH, are you saying that if my opinion differs from someone elses, I should just turn tail and bugger off should I? Also, are you a member of the AIPB, if so why and if not, why not?

Xerxes October 6, 2009

Burbs,

I think you should meet up with Maria and talk with her.

I don’t agree with your snipes at AIPB but you are certainly entitled to them.

I don’t have the time to set up a broker representative body but applaud anyone for trying. We desperately need one. There are many narks in the broker world that would seem to want to shoot people down for trying to stand up for brokers.

I remember not too long ago Maria was standing up to the NAB and brokers were sniping at her then. I don’t understand the hostility towards someone trying to gain a brokers voice.

We all get it, AIPB are small with limited (perhaps no) influence. If people continue to snipe and criticise & question their power and relevance & numbers, AIPB will be non existent. If we lay off them they might stand a chance over time of gaining some traction.

Broker in the 'burbs October 6, 2009

Xerxes,

Asking valid questions is not being a nark and don’t confuse hostility with being assertive or trying to stay on topic either.

The reason why brokers have been led like lambs to the slaughter over the years is because they haven’t taken charge of their destiny early on in the piece and asked the tough questions. They’ve largely been passive and deferential to lenders, aggregators AND trade groups, who have in many cases, have failed the broking community.

I’m not being hostile (cynical perhaps)….but in the final analysis, I’m simply asking questions. I also have asked a number of other assertive (and yes, probably sarcastic) questions of others in this forum too.

And I will continue to ask questions, with your permission of course.

I’m also not one to particularly care about sacred cows either.

JH October 6, 2009

Burbs,

If you spent more time on building your business and less time on these sites offering your cynical opinions maybe you would not have the time to worry about the people who are trying to better a their industry.

Ultimo Broker October 6, 2009

Broker in the Burbs is pretty spot on!

These are interesting times in which any industry body (and business)would have a tough time navigating with their members. My understanding is that the FBAA and MFAA are not unions nor buyers group but industry bodies that are “supposedly” able to drive better professional standards on behalf of their membership. Am not sure this is happening though..

What Maria seems to be peddling is the “buyers group” or “union concept” and for that you do need LOT’s OF CLOUT via both money and membership numbers. If Maria can’t answer the question (in which both FBAA and MFAA also must in their annual report) as to how many members her “book club” has and what sort of financial support is behind it, then she is just another confused and lonely soul who is looking for industry attention without solution.

Maria either put up or shut up as many are just sick of hearing your tripe! Your integrity is laughable by being a member of the MFAA and then continously being negative toward it! Yes, you were seen at the MFAA convention and I have seen snakes with a stronger backbone. Action does speak louder then words, hence remove yourself as a member of the body you are so negative toward, show everyone what YOUR membership numbers are and also what your “book club’s” financial position is.

There is no grey here. No excuses. Put up or shut up! However I just expect silence or more dribble in which would only be confirmation of yours and your groups yellow belly character…

Keith October 7, 2009

Hi Guys,

Wow Ultimo Broker, thems strong words!!! I can only assume that you know Maria well to be able to accuse her of having a “yellow belly character”. If somebody accused me of that in this forum, I believe that I could have grounds for suiting you for slander.

Anyway, to the matter at hand!

Mortgage brokers around Australia need a body to represent them & them only. The MFAA & FBAA are “industry representative” bodies who represent all participants in the finance sector, banks, aggregators, brokers from all walks, (mortgage & planners), and they have representatives from all of these areas on their committees.

Mortgage brokers NEED a body to represent them, (you can call it a union if you like, strength is in numbers), but a body representing a unified group of brokers will create a new dimension for brokers with an ever growing power base. AND every new body has to start somewhere. So don’t defeat it before it gets started.

I would be very interested in joining the group if I felt that it would (in time) start to weild some power on brokers behalf. A group who can get an audience with the “law makers”, the RBA, politicians, Senate committees, ASIC etc. And a group who can present logical and legitemate solutions to those law makers.

The major problem with the mortgage industry is the lack of competition. The big four banks are the only ones who have access to money to lend. 2 banks control almost 50% of the mortgages currently outstanding in Australia today.

With that in mind, the MFAA & FBAA will not represent brokers because they have major bank representatives on their boards. Even if the MFAA wanted to it couldn’t because Kath Cummings is on the board and Kath has been recently reported as saying that her goal is to see CBA customers being provided with all financial services so that they will remain CBA customers FOR LIFE!!! Do you honestly believe that the big four banks will ever be FAIR to their customers if they have no competition. They will continue to increase their margins as high and for as long as they can.

The only answer to the big four is COMPETITION, and current industry bodies do not need to make waves because it doesn’t affect them. Banks & aggregators have introduced strategies to insist that brokers belong to an industry body. That in itself is anti-competitive.

However, brokers are the ones who are bearing the brunt of the industry shakeup because the big four presently don’t need us. Smaller lenders don’t have money to lend, so instead of saying “we don’t have money to lend”, they simply tighten their credit policy so that loans do not get approved.

If competition returns to the industry, brokers will again be able to provide better products to the public, who in return will demand better products. Then, the big four will have to compete again, and once again we will see the borrower win.

Regards
Keith

JH October 7, 2009

Ultimo is a little stressed we believe and may be in need of a cuddle from his/her Mum. LOL

SMc October 9, 2009

The personal and emotive issues aside, there is a sure way for Maria’s AIPB to prove their worth and credibility – achieve something. Having been going for a couple of years, they need to put some runs on the board. Haven’t seen that yet, but let us know what it is when it happens, and numbers will follow. Dont just try and grandstand off the back of soft targets to get publicity – prove yourself with achievements. Isn’t that what we should all be doing?

Broker in the 'burbs October 9, 2009

JH,

You’re projecting sunshine!

Sorry, I should have made more of Maria’s very pertinant announcements….you know, the ones about her star sign, academic achievments and her self confessed eccentricities!

What the?

You tell me champ……how is any of that relevant to the three questions I asked about the likely efficacy of the AIPB….?

If that’s the type of response one get’s on industry ‘issues’ then my cynicism is well founded, don’t you think. In all honesty, that kind of response looks like much like intended obfuscation, ego or confusion.

But with you, your inability to address the issues being discussed are patently obvious, but for what reason….that hasn’t been established as yet.

Ease up on the Internet Tough Guy crap too. Must be short man syndrome.

Cheers big fella

Maria Rigoni October 9, 2009

Hey Broker in the ‘burbs and anyone else

Let us look at situations and try and come up with constructive criticism and solutions without being personal.

Food for thought and comment

ACCC’s approval for NAB to purchase Challenger was the only decision available to them. NAB bought a lender. A lender that had ownership interest in three aggregators.

ACCC does not see that any one of the Big four has substantial market power as they are unable to operate without having regard to its competitors.

The Trades Practices Act insists that no one has an absolute right to be supplied product by a supplier and that the supplier is free to determine the terms and conditions provided those terms and conditions are legal.

Where do you see all this and our profession moving forward?

Maria

Broker in the 'burbs October 10, 2009

JH,

Figures. Nothing but vitriole and all off topic. Do come back when you’ve got something that actually has some relevance to the issues.

Broker in the 'burbs October 10, 2009

Hi Maria,

I certainly agree that the ACCC come across like toothless tigers in an ever competitively diminishing market.

But when you look at the all the players in the industry, the only ones who are being negatively affected are independant brokers and by extension, their clients, so no-one other than ourselves (brokers) care two hoots at the minute.

As it happens, I also wrote to the ACCC regarding Westpac (the NZ tax avoiders) just before Refund Home Loans had a shot & they said exactly the same thing to me. (Your third point above)

IMO, the only mechanisms we’re we can challenge our protaganists are commercially based, not legislatively.

An example of my thinking would be (as an example) establishing an aggregation model within say the AIPB, for independant brokers only.

With some commercial clout, brokers could also voice opinions & vote on matters that concern them. With $$$’s in the AIPB coffers, they could also afford PR/lobbying efforts to highlight the less than competitive activities of the big four and to drive a mandate of broker self determination, but with material outcomes.

I can’t for the life of me see the ACCC coming to our rescue as their track history on a sister industry group is pretty grim. Just look at the list of AFSL’s and see how many are owned by the banks now.

Practically 80% of all planning groups and investment platforms are owned by the banks, so it doesn’t auger well for us to complain about lack of competition in the market.

I do think however, that when ASIC start looking into the practices of the banks, (with organised broking groups feeding the information) we may get some serious traction

Maria, I’d recommend you guys check out the following group as a template (or just a talking point) for possible AIPB activities and also, perhaps a JV or affiliate status with them. No need to reinvent the wheel. I met with them (the AIOFP) on a number of occasions over the years, and their reason for being is much the same as the AIPB’s IMO.

Just Google AIOFP and you’ll see what I mean.

SMc October 13, 2009

Put aside issues like ACCC which are largely out of our control. The 3 issues that are a prime concern for any association representing brokers are:
- poor turnaround times and service by lenders, especially where there is a disparity against those lenders’ proprietory channels
- culling of broker groups and individual brokers is destroying the core service proposition of brokers
- diminishing commissions and quality from lenders in an environment of greater demand for compliance, training and technology by brokers

What has the AIPB done and achieved on these Maria? What has any association done? Hence the above scepticism. Anyone disagree with that?

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