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	<title>Comments on: Aggregators – not brokers – are on the endangered species list, says broker</title>
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		<title>By: Broker in the 'burbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broker in the 'burbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on you Wayne Ormond of Refund Home Loans...

Aggregators take note about how Wayne has rattled the CBA's cage. He's taken the CBA to task about volume for accreditation to the ACCC (who told him exactly what they told me - all is OK) however the mainstream media have picked up on this issue.

I've just heard the issue (CBA / Accreditation / Volume) being discussed on ABC radio (not the widest of audiences I'll concede) however, the more scrutiny focussed on the business practices of these lenders the better. 

The angle Wayne presents is what we've all been saying in that accreditation for volume is simply a way to drive business into the CBA's door &#38; is counterproductive to a properly researched and compliant industry sector. The consumer will be the loser if the CBA juggernaut is left unchecked.

Anyway, here is an example of a broker group or aggregation group (Refund Home Loans) who have actually spoken up about what's been going on. 

So Aggregators, where are the rest of you and why haven't you hollered from the rooftops as Wayne has?

Mmmmhhh??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on you Wayne Ormond of Refund Home Loans&#8230;</p>
<p>Aggregators take note about how Wayne has rattled the CBA&#8217;s cage. He&#8217;s taken the CBA to task about volume for accreditation to the ACCC (who told him exactly what they told me - all is OK) however the mainstream media have picked up on this issue.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just heard the issue (CBA / Accreditation / Volume) being discussed on ABC radio (not the widest of audiences I&#8217;ll concede) however, the more scrutiny focussed on the business practices of these lenders the better. </p>
<p>The angle Wayne presents is what we&#8217;ve all been saying in that accreditation for volume is simply a way to drive business into the CBA&#8217;s door &amp; is counterproductive to a properly researched and compliant industry sector. The consumer will be the loser if the CBA juggernaut is left unchecked.</p>
<p>Anyway, here is an example of a broker group or aggregation group (Refund Home Loans) who have actually spoken up about what&#8217;s been going on. </p>
<p>So Aggregators, where are the rest of you and why haven&#8217;t you hollered from the rooftops as Wayne has?</p>
<p>Mmmmhhh??</p>
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		<title>By: Gordo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHOOPS!!! Sorry previous post should state... 3 for 90% and 4 for 95%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHOOPS!!! Sorry previous post should state&#8230; 3 for 90% and 4 for 95%</p>
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		<title>By: Gordo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a broker submits 3 deals to a bank and can write only a 95% LVR application and another broker submits 4 deals and can write a 90% LVR application because he/she has a better understanding and QUALITY of submission (this qualifier is wrought with danger) then surely the clients are the ones to suffer! Can and should we advertise that this week we can write a 95% LVR unlike ABC pty ltd. This is ridiculous and must breach some form of fair trading practice. For clients to be penalised by a lender's ranking approach of the broker is in poor form and clients at large should be made aware of lender policies and lack of ethical conduct effecting their interests. 

Volume has no bearing on submission quality, it is more likely that someone submitting fewer deals has more time to prepare and submit those applications. NOTE TO THE LENDERS: Pull your heads out of the clouds and put them together, then you might come up with a sound idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a broker submits 3 deals to a bank and can write only a 95% LVR application and another broker submits 4 deals and can write a 90% LVR application because he/she has a better understanding and QUALITY of submission (this qualifier is wrought with danger) then surely the clients are the ones to suffer! Can and should we advertise that this week we can write a 95% LVR unlike ABC pty ltd. This is ridiculous and must breach some form of fair trading practice. For clients to be penalised by a lender&#8217;s ranking approach of the broker is in poor form and clients at large should be made aware of lender policies and lack of ethical conduct effecting their interests. </p>
<p>Volume has no bearing on submission quality, it is more likely that someone submitting fewer deals has more time to prepare and submit those applications. NOTE TO THE LENDERS: Pull your heads out of the clouds and put them together, then you might come up with a sound idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we really need to do is renegotiate our commission splits with our aggregators as they are doing less for the same income from us. Jumping ship may hold no benefit so why don't we smaller brokers group together and push for a 15% increase in earnings from our aggregators. A 95/5 split is achievable if we are prepared to adopt an new common front image profile and work as a new group under it. Whilst we lose accreditations individually, someone else in the new group may not have and can place that business with the lender. Thus the clients still has choice and churning is avoided. Win win all round. Plus a better commission proposition. We control our destiny, why hold on to our individual business identity if it is heading down the plug hole. Let's just make hay while the sun is still shining and protect not only our interests but more importantly those of our clients!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we really need to do is renegotiate our commission splits with our aggregators as they are doing less for the same income from us. Jumping ship may hold no benefit so why don&#8217;t we smaller brokers group together and push for a 15% increase in earnings from our aggregators. A 95/5 split is achievable if we are prepared to adopt an new common front image profile and work as a new group under it. Whilst we lose accreditations individually, someone else in the new group may not have and can place that business with the lender. Thus the clients still has choice and churning is avoided. Win win all round. Plus a better commission proposition. We control our destiny, why hold on to our individual business identity if it is heading down the plug hole. Let&#8217;s just make hay while the sun is still shining and protect not only our interests but more importantly those of our clients!</p>
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		<title>By: Gordo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK EVERYONE!!! 

Think about this way, if every small broker went direct to the bank and did away with their aggregator. The 'lender' would pick up the aggregator split. Now let's say the small broker only earns $50k after an 80/20 split. That is now an additional $12,500 p.a. that the lender will receive for processing commission splits on 3 deals a month. I am sure that they can employ one person and if that person only processes 2 payments per hour, then the lender will generate  $1,390,277.70 and payout a wage of $60k... It is economically viable for the lender to deal direct and do away with the aggregators. Then they will diminish the potential level of opposition for future changes/penalties against the broker.

Under new proposed legislation, the MFAA and FBAA accreditation will be obsolete. As ASIC will govern and enforce broker qualifications and conduct. I expect these organisations to lose over 60% of membership revenue. What real benefit can they justify to us to stay with them. By their current inabilities to combat lender reaccreditation changes, I think none.

To the older brokers... Your succession planning just died before your eyes! The concept of sitting back, servicing your trail book and touring the country no longer go hand in hand. If you are not active daily then your accreditations will fall off and you will need to either join a group or pay for reaccreditation every time a client wishes to make an up stamp (probably more than the commission you will make on the up stamp). In turn your trail book sale just lost majority of its calculated value. The stock market was not the only thing to crash recently!

Why do people kid themselves and think that their aggregator will enforce their original promise and show real support. If you lose your lender accreditation, you then have to place that business elsewhere and the aggregator has not lost anything and will still receives a split on that business regardless of where you place it. Whilst we lose an accreditation there is a larger brokerage firm making far more profit from that lender for our aggregator? So why would an aggregator, really go in and bat for us and bite the bigger hand that feeds them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK EVERYONE!!! </p>
<p>Think about this way, if every small broker went direct to the bank and did away with their aggregator. The &#8216;lender&#8217; would pick up the aggregator split. Now let&#8217;s say the small broker only earns $50k after an 80/20 split. That is now an additional $12,500 p.a. that the lender will receive for processing commission splits on 3 deals a month. I am sure that they can employ one person and if that person only processes 2 payments per hour, then the lender will generate  $1,390,277.70 and payout a wage of $60k&#8230; It is economically viable for the lender to deal direct and do away with the aggregators. Then they will diminish the potential level of opposition for future changes/penalties against the broker.</p>
<p>Under new proposed legislation, the MFAA and FBAA accreditation will be obsolete. As ASIC will govern and enforce broker qualifications and conduct. I expect these organisations to lose over 60% of membership revenue. What real benefit can they justify to us to stay with them. By their current inabilities to combat lender reaccreditation changes, I think none.</p>
<p>To the older brokers&#8230; Your succession planning just died before your eyes! The concept of sitting back, servicing your trail book and touring the country no longer go hand in hand. If you are not active daily then your accreditations will fall off and you will need to either join a group or pay for reaccreditation every time a client wishes to make an up stamp (probably more than the commission you will make on the up stamp). In turn your trail book sale just lost majority of its calculated value. The stock market was not the only thing to crash recently!</p>
<p>Why do people kid themselves and think that their aggregator will enforce their original promise and show real support. If you lose your lender accreditation, you then have to place that business elsewhere and the aggregator has not lost anything and will still receives a split on that business regardless of where you place it. Whilst we lose an accreditation there is a larger brokerage firm making far more profit from that lender for our aggregator? So why would an aggregator, really go in and bat for us and bite the bigger hand that feeds them!</p>
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		<title>By: Milton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keyman, no you would not be redundant, you would simply manage your book of customers in the same manner or more closely going forward. As a third party introducer you take the position of owning the client not the lender. You still take a generic application and once a lender puts up their hand for the business you would process in the same manner. This is a process the major banks would not like!

This approach is already used overseas and again I only threw it in the ring as an out of right field idea for aggregators to consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keyman, no you would not be redundant, you would simply manage your book of customers in the same manner or more closely going forward. As a third party introducer you take the position of owning the client not the lender. You still take a generic application and once a lender puts up their hand for the business you would process in the same manner. This is a process the major banks would not like!</p>
<p>This approach is already used overseas and again I only threw it in the ring as an out of right field idea for aggregators to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: KeyMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>KeyMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But then aren't we redundant - aggregators could sell direct to the public</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But then aren&#8217;t we redundant - aggregators could sell direct to the public</p>
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		<title>By: Milton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keyman, I don't disagree with you but having been at this now for some years the more I stay in it the more I realise that customers in most instances will throw choice out the window if they are afforded a very competitive rate!

The guts of this talkfeast as I understand is the future of aggregators and brokers and my idea of a tendering system changes the bank power dynamics</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keyman, I don&#8217;t disagree with you but having been at this now for some years the more I stay in it the more I realise that customers in most instances will throw choice out the window if they are afforded a very competitive rate!</p>
<p>The guts of this talkfeast as I understand is the future of aggregators and brokers and my idea of a tendering system changes the bank power dynamics</p>
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		<title>By: KeyMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>KeyMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milton -I think you miss the point about client's choice - well I think it is important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milton -I think you miss the point about client&#8217;s choice - well I think it is important.</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
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		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it Milton!!  But the Aggregators would then have to work for their commission cuts which they presently don't have to lift a finger to get.  Can't see them being too eager unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it Milton!!  But the Aggregators would then have to work for their commission cuts which they presently don&#8217;t have to lift a finger to get.  Can&#8217;t see them being too eager unfortunately.</p>
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