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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... ok Ali... Wasn’t this the same speel you went on about with GE Money not passing on the interest rate cut?

I think your comments have very little on the actual story at hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; ok Ali&#8230; Wasn’t this the same speel you went on about with GE Money not passing on the interest rate cut?</p>
<p>I think your comments have very little on the actual story at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Ali Taha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali Taha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently, we have had a few clients sell up their properties in the last couple of months as a result of ‘tough times’. As all loans happen to have been funded in the last 12 months we have been penalised and had to pay back 100% commissions (at the rate of 0.7%) and therefore our cash flow has been heavily affected… to the point I’ve had to use my personal ‘line of credit’ just to survive. At the moment, we get paid… we spend the money running our companies and then we have it taken away from future commission payments with any WARNING.

Some BDM’s receive a bonus depending on loan volumes achieved by their brokers… do they have to pay this back???

The only solution I can think of is if we put all our upfront commissions in a trust account and not access that commission until our client has passed the ‘test of time’ test. Actually, the banks could just hold off payment for the first 12 months.

Speaking to hundreds of brokers at recent broker events… every single one of us believes this is an abuse of power. We find this to be unfair and cruel.

Some other important issues, concerns and thoughts discussed were

The recent reduction in commissions… at a time when lending and property activity is less then ever before.
Australia is facing a possible recession… and we get 30-40% of our income was ‘taken away’ from us without consultation or reasonable thought. We also have kids and mortgages.

Banks have never been in such a comfortable position with their balance sheets and profit and loss statements. This is evident with a numbers of lenders together spending billions of dollars recently buying each other and continuing to do so. Did all bank employees and executives take a 30% cut??? I don’t think so!!!

TRAIL – this is the biggest asset Mortgage and Finance Professionals own. It has been chopped up and fried in ‘dirty used black oil’. Brokers can’t believe that some banks now refuse to pay it at all in the first year, such as the CBA… or that it’s been cut to 0.15% by most other banks.

Then there’s some lenders such as the NAB that require us to sell life insurance, financial advice and other products that we have no experience, or expertise in to keep earning higher commissions.

At the moment there are 3 mortgage managers that have stopped our trail payments. (Mr Homeloans alone have been stripped of over $100k in yearly trail payments as a result of this happening. Basically we had to start again. Thankfully we have an ‘expensive’ but fair legal process. One that we will begin in the near future… once we find a law firm that will act for us for less then 50%).

The only time brokers hear from member organisations such as MFAA, FBAA, COSL and professional indemnity insurers is when they send us their yearly invoices. We don’t have an independent voice. And these days aggregators and most successful ‘non bank’ lenders are either partly or fully owned by the banks anyway! All this has resulted in brokers being last in line… bottom of the food chain. (When we were seeking help regarding the sudden collapse of our trail book… we were told that there is nothing anyone could do. Even the lenders funding these loans (who are still paying trail to the mortgage managers) didn’t want to know about it).

Member Organisation mentioned above need to take a stand against lenders. They need to communicate with brokers and take on board what we are saying. They risk another ‘independent broker organisation’ being set up by brokers for brokers. Considering that over 50% of loans are obtained via brokers the banks should also listen to what we are saying.

It was outrageous that the Australian Government encouraged and justified to the banks that it was ok to take a share of the RBA cut. This caused confusion to me… how did the RBA justify a 1% cut.. not knowing how much of the pie the banks will eat? Surely there was no way that this cut had anything to do with inflation. It was more the government protecting their newly acquired lending stocks.

The Government has pledged 4 billions dollars to the non bank sector. We all know the majors will get their hands on the chunk of this money. (I also believe this figure will be increased in the near future).
The Australian Government has recently guaranteed all bank deposits for 3 years. Another form of protection against their banking stocks. Why was Mr Wayne Swan blasting the banks earlier in the year when they kept raising their rates? He even went as far as naming the banks at the time… and encouraged customers to shop around.

A spokesman for ANZ, Paul Edwards was quoted in January 2008 as saying “We are committed to passing on reductions in wholesale interest rates when market conditions ease and more normal conditions return,” This has NOT occurred. So much for commitment.

Brokers have had to release receptionists, office staff and down grade their premises just to survive as a result of commission claw backs and commission cuts.

Unless things change immediately, brokers don’t see a bright future, let alone a future at all.

Banks need to change their attitudes… as brokers are beginning to assess other options… such as ‘white label products’ and non bank lenders… although after GE’s immoral activity today watch out with white label too.

Banks need to eliminate ‘commission claw backs’. This is outdated and used in the wrong way. The only way I can see this happening fairly is if the same broker refinances that loan. If the client sells up or refinances in the first 12 months… we shouldn’t be punished.

These are clawback commission structures now with the majors..

Anz

100% clawback within 12 months
50% 12 to 18 months
25% 18 to 24 months

Bankwest

100% clawback within 18 months

CBA

100% within 12 months
50% 12 to 18 months

Homeside

100% upto 12 months
50% 13 to 24 months

Westpac

100% within 3 monts
90% 4 months
80% 5 months
70% 6 months
60% 7 months
50% 8 months and so on

Increase commissions NOW at least back to industry standard 0.75% upfront and 0.25% trail. There were many instances recently where the banks collectively raised interest rates, almost monthly in 2008. Surely, just surely our commission reductions weren’t necessary and if I’m crazy and I’m wrong, well the banks just recently raised their rates by another 0.20%. However… this was hidden. Everyone just thought of the 0.8% cut the banks passed on and therefore they were relieved. Why has all this occurred, why have most banks recorded record profits in recent times and we are still getting paid a poor 0.50%/0.15%???

The industry needs to be more regulated and monitored. The brokers doing the right thing should be rewarded. We have survived until now… We deserve a break!!!

Brokers want a written guarantee that lenders will continue to pay trails for any new loans in the future. Otherwise… we do not have enough security.

Brokers believe that banks think ‘the less brokers the better’.

Banks continue to offer cheaper products via their branches. Many brokers have had to compete against a branch of the same lender they intend to lodge a loan to. Branches are able to offer less fees and rates without too much fuss. Some banks have been blunt… such as Bankwest and are offering their best product only via their branches. Their excuse is they were overwhelmed with applications. If that’s the case… give us access to the product and pull it from your branches.

On a positive note:

Banks have come to the table with online lodgment software, BDM support, loan processing systems and great products.

The property market is looking good for brokers, who have stood the test of time. The banks need to continue supporting brokers… and should start including brokers in their million dollar marketing campaigns. Life insurance and Superannuation organisations are doing this all the time. This makes sense… considering that it costs the banks less to obtain a customer via the broker channel, as an alternative methods such as clients walking into the branches.

Tips from brokers for brokers:

Only deal with lenders who are accredited members with your aggregator.
Revise all commission and agreements you have with lenders and have them checked by a Lawyer.
Lobby with your Aggregator to take a cut with their commission and/or fees.
Brokers should always have the clients best interests at heart, however if two lenders offer the same rate, go with the lender who is still paying 07%/0.25%.
Stick to the lenders who don’t have a ‘commission claw back’ clause. (as you can see at the moment there are none).
Write to MFAA/FBAA demanding more support and representation.
Consider charging clients a small administration fee to help cover your costs. Most clients will not have a problem with this… as long as it’s structured and fair.
Keep in constant touch with all your clients.
Educate people as to the importance of acquiring the services of a Mortgage Broker and point out the benefits of using a broker. Such as… us having a range of products from all the banks, us having the ability to negotiate rates and fees etc.
Brokers should try to maintain a ‘lifelong’ relationship with their clients. This will help stop them going direct to the banks. Think about when you find a great Lawyer or Mechanic or Accountant or Doctor. You normally remain their client for life… if they are able to service your needs.
Educate yourselves more in terms of regulation, marketing, products and customer service.
Demand marketing material from your lenders to display and pass on to clients. This is to the lenders advantage as much as it is to brokers.
If we do not change our attitudes and get together to fight against the banks… we will be eaten alive. So take action now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, we have had a few clients sell up their properties in the last couple of months as a result of ‘tough times’. As all loans happen to have been funded in the last 12 months we have been penalised and had to pay back 100% commissions (at the rate of 0.7%) and therefore our cash flow has been heavily affected… to the point I’ve had to use my personal ‘line of credit’ just to survive. At the moment, we get paid… we spend the money running our companies and then we have it taken away from future commission payments with any WARNING.</p>
<p>Some BDM’s receive a bonus depending on loan volumes achieved by their brokers… do they have to pay this back???</p>
<p>The only solution I can think of is if we put all our upfront commissions in a trust account and not access that commission until our client has passed the ‘test of time’ test. Actually, the banks could just hold off payment for the first 12 months.</p>
<p>Speaking to hundreds of brokers at recent broker events… every single one of us believes this is an abuse of power. We find this to be unfair and cruel.</p>
<p>Some other important issues, concerns and thoughts discussed were</p>
<p>The recent reduction in commissions… at a time when lending and property activity is less then ever before.<br />
Australia is facing a possible recession… and we get 30-40% of our income was ‘taken away’ from us without consultation or reasonable thought. We also have kids and mortgages.</p>
<p>Banks have never been in such a comfortable position with their balance sheets and profit and loss statements. This is evident with a numbers of lenders together spending billions of dollars recently buying each other and continuing to do so. Did all bank employees and executives take a 30% cut??? I don’t think so!!!</p>
<p>TRAIL – this is the biggest asset Mortgage and Finance Professionals own. It has been chopped up and fried in ‘dirty used black oil’. Brokers can’t believe that some banks now refuse to pay it at all in the first year, such as the CBA… or that it’s been cut to 0.15% by most other banks.</p>
<p>Then there’s some lenders such as the NAB that require us to sell life insurance, financial advice and other products that we have no experience, or expertise in to keep earning higher commissions.</p>
<p>At the moment there are 3 mortgage managers that have stopped our trail payments. (Mr Homeloans alone have been stripped of over $100k in yearly trail payments as a result of this happening. Basically we had to start again. Thankfully we have an ‘expensive’ but fair legal process. One that we will begin in the near future… once we find a law firm that will act for us for less then 50%).</p>
<p>The only time brokers hear from member organisations such as MFAA, FBAA, COSL and professional indemnity insurers is when they send us their yearly invoices. We don’t have an independent voice. And these days aggregators and most successful ‘non bank’ lenders are either partly or fully owned by the banks anyway! All this has resulted in brokers being last in line… bottom of the food chain. (When we were seeking help regarding the sudden collapse of our trail book… we were told that there is nothing anyone could do. Even the lenders funding these loans (who are still paying trail to the mortgage managers) didn’t want to know about it).</p>
<p>Member Organisation mentioned above need to take a stand against lenders. They need to communicate with brokers and take on board what we are saying. They risk another ‘independent broker organisation’ being set up by brokers for brokers. Considering that over 50% of loans are obtained via brokers the banks should also listen to what we are saying.</p>
<p>It was outrageous that the Australian Government encouraged and justified to the banks that it was ok to take a share of the RBA cut. This caused confusion to me… how did the RBA justify a 1% cut.. not knowing how much of the pie the banks will eat? Surely there was no way that this cut had anything to do with inflation. It was more the government protecting their newly acquired lending stocks.</p>
<p>The Government has pledged 4 billions dollars to the non bank sector. We all know the majors will get their hands on the chunk of this money. (I also believe this figure will be increased in the near future).<br />
The Australian Government has recently guaranteed all bank deposits for 3 years. Another form of protection against their banking stocks. Why was Mr Wayne Swan blasting the banks earlier in the year when they kept raising their rates? He even went as far as naming the banks at the time… and encouraged customers to shop around.</p>
<p>A spokesman for ANZ, Paul Edwards was quoted in January 2008 as saying “We are committed to passing on reductions in wholesale interest rates when market conditions ease and more normal conditions return,” This has NOT occurred. So much for commitment.</p>
<p>Brokers have had to release receptionists, office staff and down grade their premises just to survive as a result of commission claw backs and commission cuts.</p>
<p>Unless things change immediately, brokers don’t see a bright future, let alone a future at all.</p>
<p>Banks need to change their attitudes… as brokers are beginning to assess other options… such as ‘white label products’ and non bank lenders… although after GE’s immoral activity today watch out with white label too.</p>
<p>Banks need to eliminate ‘commission claw backs’. This is outdated and used in the wrong way. The only way I can see this happening fairly is if the same broker refinances that loan. If the client sells up or refinances in the first 12 months… we shouldn’t be punished.</p>
<p>These are clawback commission structures now with the majors..</p>
<p>Anz</p>
<p>100% clawback within 12 months<br />
50% 12 to 18 months<br />
25% 18 to 24 months</p>
<p>Bankwest</p>
<p>100% clawback within 18 months</p>
<p>CBA</p>
<p>100% within 12 months<br />
50% 12 to 18 months</p>
<p>Homeside</p>
<p>100% upto 12 months<br />
50% 13 to 24 months</p>
<p>Westpac</p>
<p>100% within 3 monts<br />
90% 4 months<br />
80% 5 months<br />
70% 6 months<br />
60% 7 months<br />
50% 8 months and so on</p>
<p>Increase commissions NOW at least back to industry standard 0.75% upfront and 0.25% trail. There were many instances recently where the banks collectively raised interest rates, almost monthly in 2008. Surely, just surely our commission reductions weren’t necessary and if I’m crazy and I’m wrong, well the banks just recently raised their rates by another 0.20%. However… this was hidden. Everyone just thought of the 0.8% cut the banks passed on and therefore they were relieved. Why has all this occurred, why have most banks recorded record profits in recent times and we are still getting paid a poor 0.50%/0.15%???</p>
<p>The industry needs to be more regulated and monitored. The brokers doing the right thing should be rewarded. We have survived until now… We deserve a break!!!</p>
<p>Brokers want a written guarantee that lenders will continue to pay trails for any new loans in the future. Otherwise… we do not have enough security.</p>
<p>Brokers believe that banks think ‘the less brokers the better’.</p>
<p>Banks continue to offer cheaper products via their branches. Many brokers have had to compete against a branch of the same lender they intend to lodge a loan to. Branches are able to offer less fees and rates without too much fuss. Some banks have been blunt… such as Bankwest and are offering their best product only via their branches. Their excuse is they were overwhelmed with applications. If that’s the case… give us access to the product and pull it from your branches.</p>
<p>On a positive note:</p>
<p>Banks have come to the table with online lodgment software, BDM support, loan processing systems and great products.</p>
<p>The property market is looking good for brokers, who have stood the test of time. The banks need to continue supporting brokers… and should start including brokers in their million dollar marketing campaigns. Life insurance and Superannuation organisations are doing this all the time. This makes sense… considering that it costs the banks less to obtain a customer via the broker channel, as an alternative methods such as clients walking into the branches.</p>
<p>Tips from brokers for brokers:</p>
<p>Only deal with lenders who are accredited members with your aggregator.<br />
Revise all commission and agreements you have with lenders and have them checked by a Lawyer.<br />
Lobby with your Aggregator to take a cut with their commission and/or fees.<br />
Brokers should always have the clients best interests at heart, however if two lenders offer the same rate, go with the lender who is still paying 07%/0.25%.<br />
Stick to the lenders who don’t have a ‘commission claw back’ clause. (as you can see at the moment there are none).<br />
Write to MFAA/FBAA demanding more support and representation.<br />
Consider charging clients a small administration fee to help cover your costs. Most clients will not have a problem with this… as long as it’s structured and fair.<br />
Keep in constant touch with all your clients.<br />
Educate people as to the importance of acquiring the services of a Mortgage Broker and point out the benefits of using a broker. Such as… us having a range of products from all the banks, us having the ability to negotiate rates and fees etc.<br />
Brokers should try to maintain a ‘lifelong’ relationship with their clients. This will help stop them going direct to the banks. Think about when you find a great Lawyer or Mechanic or Accountant or Doctor. You normally remain their client for life… if they are able to service your needs.<br />
Educate yourselves more in terms of regulation, marketing, products and customer service.<br />
Demand marketing material from your lenders to display and pass on to clients. This is to the lenders advantage as much as it is to brokers.<br />
If we do not change our attitudes and get together to fight against the banks… we will be eaten alive. So take action now.</p>
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		<title>By: grahamdoessel.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Good Brokers find it hard to place Good Clients with loans - Now there is an answer!</title>
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		<dc:creator>grahamdoessel.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Good Brokers find it hard to place Good Clients with loans - Now there is an answer!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: grahamdoessel.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What about the Mums and Dads that dont qualify for a standard Mortgage?</title>
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		<title>By: Graham Doessel CEO Mortgage Now www.mortgagenow.com.au</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Doessel CEO Mortgage Now www.mortgagenow.com.au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What help will there be for the non conforming market segment?
In the past 12 months there has been a marked reduction in the numbers of lenders and the products they sell.

This all comes back to less choice for the consumer and some of these Mums and Dads are really Hurting!

Mortgage Now is Australias Largest Exclusively Non Conforming Brokerage and as such, we feel the pain of our clients. Even more so now that the offerings have been cut back so sharply.

How will the Federal Govcernment help the Non Conforming Borrower?
What will the Federal Government do to help the struggling Non-Conforming Lenders?

So many of our clients have issues that only a few months ago didn't count. They were conforming clients that would sail through but now keep getting told by the conforming community that they dont qualify.

While Mortgage Now can help them and at competitive rates, it is an area of lending that is growing and needs to be addressed.

I just hope the Federal Government does not forget about The every day Aussies that have had it tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What help will there be for the non conforming market segment?<br />
In the past 12 months there has been a marked reduction in the numbers of lenders and the products they sell.</p>
<p>This all comes back to less choice for the consumer and some of these Mums and Dads are really Hurting!</p>
<p>Mortgage Now is Australias Largest Exclusively Non Conforming Brokerage and as such, we feel the pain of our clients. Even more so now that the offerings have been cut back so sharply.</p>
<p>How will the Federal Govcernment help the Non Conforming Borrower?<br />
What will the Federal Government do to help the struggling Non-Conforming Lenders?</p>
<p>So many of our clients have issues that only a few months ago didn&#8217;t count. They were conforming clients that would sail through but now keep getting told by the conforming community that they dont qualify.</p>
<p>While Mortgage Now can help them and at competitive rates, it is an area of lending that is growing and needs to be addressed.</p>
<p>I just hope the Federal Government does not forget about The every day Aussies that have had it tough.</p>
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